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  Members of the writing department has resigned

  by hardtobeme in

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  2. friends

  this is what i found at anointedjw.org.

  i don't know if it's true.

  on august 25, 2014, we received the following comment and inquiry: .

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  Old Goat

  The website in question would have made Goebbel's proud.
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  I got asked THE QUESTION !!

  by Tech49 in

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  2. experiences

  a little experience that happened very recently:.

  another brother, an elder, and i were talking, i was explaining to him and giving him several examples of how a couple of the elders in our congregation were blatantly trying to run their own show, parading themselves around as "representatives" of the body, when the other brothers didnt know what the hell they were talking about.

  they are using their "elder powers" to bully and push people around, causing a bit of angst and hurt feelings.

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  "Do I believe that Jehovah directs his organizaiton? Of course I do. The governing body and elders are imperfect men. If God gives them authority it is scripturally limited, as you should know. I look to God not men. Do you look to men?"
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  Members of the writing department has resigned

  by hardtobeme in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is what i found at anointedjw.org.

  i don't know if it's true.

  on august 25, 2014, we received the following comment and inquiry: .

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  This is contrived.
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  Watchtower Nov 2014 for public (Satan and fiction)

  by opusdei1972 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the passage that narrates the three temptations appears in the synoptics, but is ignored in the fourth gospel.

  furthermore, in the fourth gospel jesus could not spend 40 days in the wilderness after being baptized as told in mark 1:12-13 (which is the source of matthew and luke).

  so, if the testimony of the author of the fourth gospel were true (read john 21:24), the story of the wilderness never happened.

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  Old Goat

  The Hebrew word translated "evil" at Isa. 45:7 means calamity. It does not include the thought of wickedness, and it is not meant to be commentary on Satan's existence. You presume that the 19th Century Tübingen 'scholars' who found two authors of Isaiah had it right. It appears that you do not know why they suggested two authors, nor do you know why others reject that conclusion. Your comment is shallow. Hit the books.
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  Are sad to see your CO go?

  by Quarterback in

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  2. friends

  we are supposed to have a new co effective this september.

  what do you think about the guy that left?.

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  Old Goat

  We haven't had a good circuit overseer since 1968.
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  If the Governing Body Told You They Love You All Very Much, What Would Your Reply Be?

  by steve2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in a letter in the 2013 yearbook of jehovah's witnesses, the governing body sign off with the words, "we love you all very much".

  these words were later echoed by one of the governing body in an address to french jehovah's witnesses in july this year.

  these words sound so marvellously compelling and heartfelt - goosebump inducing, even.. imagine the governing body wrote these words to you or expressed them to you in person- yes to you reading these very words.

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  Love is as love does. They love no one but themselves.
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  Where did Russell steal 606/7 BCE from ?

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is something i have wondered about, and our great poster stillin posed the question on another thread .

  russell get the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 606/7 bce?

  (he adjusted 606 to 607 when it was pointed out there was no year "0").. as in the main a plagiarist, rather than an original thinker, i guess he got it from someone else ?.

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  Rather than being a plagiarist, Russell was an adapter. Plagiarism implies the use of another’s words without attribution. Russell adapted other’s ideas for his own use. That’s not the same thing. But it is fair to say that Russell never had an original thought in his life.

  Russell stuck to the 606 BC date. The 607 revision came later. But both dates have a history. Russell never read John A. Brown’s Even-Tide. Barbour did, but Brown does not point to 536 BC or 1914. He pointed to 1917.

  The immediate source of the 606 date was E. B. Elliott’s Horae. The 607 date was advocated by Samuel Davies Baldwin. See his Armageddon: Or the Overthrow of Romanism and Monarchy’ The Existence of the United States Foretold in the Bible, Its Future Greatness; Invasion by Allied Europe; Annihilation of Monarchy; Expansion into the Millennial Republic, and its Dominion over the Whole World, Applegate and Company, Cincinnati, 1863, page 424.

  Russell and his associates did not live in a vacuum. All this was discussed widely in the 1870s, not just by millenarians and Adventists, but by main-stream preachers. Russell, contrary to WatchTower claims, was not an independent Bible student. He read what others wrote and kept what appealed to his imagination, scriptural or not.

  Some of this history is recounted in Schulz and de Vienne’s Nelson Barbour: The Millennium’s Forgotten Prophet. You should read both their books. Visit their blog here http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/
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  Some good books to read?

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just finished crysis of a conscience and all i have to say is wow!

  showed how they sadly look for doctrine changes to fit their agenda vs what the bible says.

  any new light or changes i'll be wondering the real motive behind them.

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  About Witnesses: Schulz and de Vienne: Nelson Barbour the Millennium's Forgotten Prophet and their Separate Identity.

  Fiction? I've been re-reading David Eddings books. Rienhart's Circular Staircase is still good.
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  JW NWT AND OTHER BIBLE TRANSLATIONS ARE FALSE!

  by ADJUSTMENTS in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  to begin, i'm not trying to stir up any "conspiracy theories" or promote them but with the recent release of the nwt and "world government" convention tracts it's opened up the of door to the so called "conspiracy theories" for many.. so if your the type that's already turned of by the word "conspiracy theory" i suggest you leave this page and please don't comment, for those of us who can use your brain to reason and think, take a look at a couple videos and sites that makes you go hmm... and connect the dots.. the first video actually goes into depth and mentions the many falsehoods of the jw nwt at 13:50 and 1:04:25. for some reason it is not directly linking it is entitled new world order bible versions (full version ) about nine videos down.. .

  https://m.youtube.com/results?q=new+world+order&sm=1.

  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r8c1sc8lljm.

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  Old Goat

  Stupidity always leaves me speechless.
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  Just Curious About Something

  by EmptyInside in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  sorry,couldn't think of a better title for this post,without it being long.. i was thinking this morning,if ex-jws, who were born into the group less likely to join another religion after leaving.

  vs. the witnesses who belonged to a church before joining the religion.. from my own prespective,being raised a witness,i have no intention of joining any religion.

  and it seems that born-ins are less likely to join a religion after leaving the cult.. in my own experience,i think it's religious burn-out to tell the truth.

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  Old Goat

  I wasn't born in. I won't join another religion. I'm tired of self-serving religions.